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	<title>The Southside Times - News Covering Beech Grove, Greenwood, Southport, Center Grove and Franklin &#38; White River Townships of Indiana &#187; Outdoors</title>
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		<title>Corn in the small garden is sweet</title>
		<link>http://www.ss-times.com/2010/07/23/corn-in-the-small-garden-is-sweet/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 16:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Carol Michel</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Growing up, I noticed
my Dad didn’t plant
sweet corn in his
garden. He always
said you needed a lot of room
for corn and he didn’t want to
give up that much space in his
vegetable garden. So for many
years I carried around this notion
that you need a lot of room
to grow corn. But after reading
an article in a magazine called
“Kitchen [...]


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		<title>It’s time for the mid-summer container check-up</title>
		<link>http://www.ss-times.com/2010/07/19/it%e2%80%99s-time-for-the-mid-summer-container-check-up/</link>
		<comments>http://www.ss-times.com/2010/07/19/it%e2%80%99s-time-for-the-mid-summer-container-check-up/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 17:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Carol Michel</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is it mid-summer already? I can tell we are already half way through July not so much by the calendar, but by what’s blooming in the garden. I can also tell it is mid-summer by how the container plantings are starting to look. Some of them are getting to be a bit bedraggled and look [...]


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		<title>Special night bloomer brings beauty, scent and memories</title>
		<link>http://www.ss-times.com/2010/07/02/special-night-bloomer-brings-beauty-scent-and-memories/</link>
		<comments>http://www.ss-times.com/2010/07/02/special-night-bloomer-brings-beauty-scent-and-memories/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 21:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Carol Michel</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[My night blooming
cereus generally
blooms just once
a year, usually in
July. This year, it caught me by
surprise with a bloom in early
June. But regardless of when
it blooms, it is always a special
night because the flower
goes from a bud to a fully open
bloom in a matter of a few
hours, and then by morning it is
wilted and spent.
Where it [...]


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		<title>Have patience in tending the summer garden</title>
		<link>http://www.ss-times.com/2010/06/24/have-patience-in-tending-the-summer-garden/</link>
		<comments>http://www.ss-times.com/2010/06/24/have-patience-in-tending-the-summer-garden/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 18:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>dstrez@ss-times.com</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now that summer has officially arrived, my vegetable garden has completed its transition from being a newly planted spring garden to becoming a full-fledged summer garden. I’ve pulled out the dried up pea vines, the last of the spring crops, and now I wait and watch the garden for the first of the summer squash, [...]


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		<title>Purslane: One person’s weed is another person’s salad</title>
		<link>http://www.ss-times.com/2010/06/17/purslane-one-person%e2%80%99s-weed-is-another-person%e2%80%99s-salad/</link>
		<comments>http://www.ss-times.com/2010/06/17/purslane-one-person%e2%80%99s-weed-is-another-person%e2%80%99s-salad/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 18:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Carol Michel</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Every year, right about this time, my vegetable garden starts to look as though the main crop I’m growing is the common weed purslane. While my back is turned, in just a matter of days it takes over and begins to cover every raised bed.  Ironically, this weed is quite edible, and some people [...]


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		<title>Indiana Koi and Water Garden Club Pond Tour</title>
		<link>http://www.ss-times.com/2010/06/10/indiana-koi-and-water-garden-club-pond-tour/</link>
		<comments>http://www.ss-times.com/2010/06/10/indiana-koi-and-water-garden-club-pond-tour/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>dstrez@ss-times.com</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This 13th annual event
will be showing over 15
ponds and the public will
learn about the hobby of
koi ponds. &#124; When: June
12, 9 a.m. – 6 p.m.; June
13, 9 a.m. – 5 p.m. &#124; Where:
Lawrence Park Community
Center, 5301 N. Franklin
Rd., Lawrence. &#124; Cost: $10
&#124; Info: Contact Kay Oberlin
at (765) 945-7510 or visit
koi-indiana.com for more
information.


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		<title>Beech Grove’s Greenscape Commission begins second phase of tree inventory project</title>
		<link>http://www.ss-times.com/2010/06/10/beech-grove%e2%80%99s-greenscape-commission-begins-second-phase-of-tree-inventory-project/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The City of Beech Grove’s Greenscape
Commission received a matching grant from
the IDNR, Division of Forestry, Urban and
Community Forestry Program. On June 8,
the Commission began a second phase of the
tree inventory to recommend maintenance of
trees within street rights-of-way and in Sarah
Bolton and South Grove Parks to further assess
and prioritize needs of City trees. A crew
will be [...]


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		<title>Aaaah, Summer</title>
		<link>http://www.ss-times.com/2010/06/10/aaaah-summer/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>dstrez@ss-times.com</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Beat the heat with
some cool treats
from your favorite
ice cream
shop. Here is a
sampling of ice
cream shops in
our area:
Baskin-Robbins
4200 S. East St.,
Indianapolis
1280 US Highway
31 N., Greenwood
Cold Stone
Creamery
5025 E. 82nd
St., Indianapolis
Dairy Queen
602 E. Hanna Ave., Indianapolis
5231 E. Thompson Rd., Indianapolis
Flavors of 50’s Ice Cream
2301 Shelby St., Indianapolis
Hula Bean Coffee &#038; Ice Cream
1642 Olive Branch Park, Greenwood
Maggie Moo’s
1251 US [...]


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		<title>It’s a prickly decision whether to add this plant to the garden</title>
		<link>http://www.ss-times.com/2010/06/10/it%e2%80%99s-a-prickly-decision-whether-to-add-this-plant-to-the-garden/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Carol Michel</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tucked up against
the foundation of
my house, in a place
where presumably no
one will try to walk, is a little
patch of hardy prickly pear cactus,
Opuntia sp. It’s been growing
there for a dozen years or
more, mostly unnoticed except
when it blooms with yellow,
rose-like flowers.
I do notice it, and sometimes
regret it, when I actually touch
any part of the cactus. Though
it [...]


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		<title>Mr. Toad and me, tending the garden together</title>
		<link>http://www.ss-times.com/2010/06/03/mr-toad-and-me-tending-the-garden-together/</link>
		<comments>http://www.ss-times.com/2010/06/03/mr-toad-and-me-tending-the-garden-together/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 15:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Carol Michel</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our eyes met briefly and we were both momentarily startled and instinctively jumped backwards away from each other, but there was really no reason to be frightened. It was just a toad, an American toad, and I’m just a friendly gardener who would never do anything to harm a toad. Quite the contrary, I always [...]


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		<title>Upside-down gardening</title>
		<link>http://www.ss-times.com/2010/06/03/upside-down-gardening/</link>
		<comments>http://www.ss-times.com/2010/06/03/upside-down-gardening/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 15:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Submission For The Southside Times</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gardening upside-down – a technique brought to the forefront by the Topsy-Turvy – is gaining momentum. The advantages of upside-down gardening are many: it saves space; there is no need for stakes or cages; it foils pests and fungus; there are fewer, if any, weeds; there is efficient delivery of water and nutrients thanks to [...]


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		<title>Bonsai Show</title>
		<link>http://www.ss-times.com/2010/06/03/bonsai-show/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 15:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Submission For The Southside Times</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bonsai Show • Indianapolis Bonsai Club will display a number of unique bonsai plants and the public will have the opportunity to purchase their own bonsai plant. &#124; When: June 5-6, 10 a.m. – 5 p.m. &#124; Where: Garfield Park Conservatory, 2505 Conservatory Dr. on the 2400 block of S. Shelby St. &#124; Cost: $1 [...]


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		<title>What else can I plant now?</title>
		<link>http://www.ss-times.com/2010/05/27/what-else-can-i-plant-now/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 17:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Carol Michel</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It’s funny how quickly the question changes from “is it too soon to plant” to “is it too late to plant” within a matter of a week.  Many people seem to be locked in on Mother’s Day weekend as the time to purchase and plant annual flowers and vegetable plants and if they don’t [...]


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		<title>Plant Sales</title>
		<link>http://www.ss-times.com/2010/05/20/plant-sales-2/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 17:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Plant Sale • The Gardener’s Grove garden club will hold a plant sale. &#124; When: May 22 from 10 a.m. &#8211; 1 p.m. &#124; Where: Beech Grove Library, 1102 Main St., parking lot. &#124; Cost: Free to attend.
Iris Show • The Indiana Daylily and Iris Society will display their most prized irises. Accredited judges will [...]


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		<title>A profusion of false indigo beautifies the spring garden</title>
		<link>http://www.ss-times.com/2010/05/20/a-profusion-of-false-indigo-beautifies-the-spring-garden/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 17:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Carol Michel</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the most stunning plants in my garden right now isn’t the last of the lilacs or even the peonies now in full bloom. While these plants have been spectacular this spring, the plant that is really showing off in my garden right now is Baptisia australis, commonly called False Indigo.   
Baptisia, [...]


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		<title>Are you a staker or a cager?</title>
		<link>http://www.ss-times.com/2010/05/13/are-you-a-staker-or-a-cager/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 17:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Carol Michel</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I’m a staker because my Dad was a staker, so I assume his brothers and sister are stakers, too, and that perhaps my grandparents were stakers. We had a neighbor who was a cager, but otherwise he seemed to have a pretty good vegetable garden.
      I’m of course referring to [...]


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		<title>Roses are red</title>
		<link>http://www.ss-times.com/2010/05/13/roses-are-red/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 17:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Want roses in your garden? Keep them healthy with these tips.
• Plant roses where they will receive a minimum of five to six hours of full sun per day.
• Diligently water your roses. Soak the entire root zone at least twice a week in dry summer weather. Avoid frequent shallow sprinklings.  
• Feed your roses; they have [...]


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		<title>Plant Sales</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 17:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Plant Sale • The Cultivating Garden Club will hold annual plant sale. &#124; When: May 15 from 8 a.m. – 1 p.m. &#124; Where: 7125 S. Meridian St. &#124; Info: rain or shine
Plant Sale • The Garfield Park Master Gardeners will hold their annual plant sale featuring annual and perennial plants for both sun and [...]


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		<title>Welcome the Picasso of Petunias</title>
		<link>http://www.ss-times.com/2010/05/06/welcome-the-picasso-of-petunias/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 15:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Carol Michel</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Remember fifteen years ago when everyone was going nuts over the new Wave® petunias? Those first new vine-like, continuously blooming petunias originally came in one color, purple, and were quite in demand, often selling out before they were even put on display. That first season they were available, I remember calling several local growers and [...]


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		<title>Self-inflicted weeding: the gardener’s regret</title>
		<link>http://www.ss-times.com/2010/04/29/self-inflicted-weeding-the-gardener%e2%80%99s-regret/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Carol Michel</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I call them self-inflicted weeds, all those seedlings of seemingly harmless plants that I personally bought and planted in my garden. I knew before I planted them that they were the kinds of plants that liked to self-sow; it even said so on the plant tags.
But like many gardeners, I thought it would be different [...]


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